(from my previous post on Adverlets not paying)
Josh Lim said:
Hi Chong, Cypherhackz: Firstly, thanks for your concern. While I will not comment here on the status of your cashout, payouts up to Feb 2008 have already gone out to bloggers. Please understand that in disputed cases, we also need some time to determine the extent of invalid activity, and to make an honest and fair decision on your account.
As you may be aware, and we are too: There are truly honest publishers that have fell victim to people attempting to sabotage them or weird traffic/click patterns not due to their own doing, and there are those that are really trying to manipulate the system.
To make the distinction though, takes time, and investigation. Banning or invalidating cashouts completely is always a last resort based on solid data. We will endeavor to resolve your situation within the next 2 weeks, please be patient.
To Josh : Although your comment is directed to Chong and Cypherhackz, I am thankful that I am not a publisher of Adverlets. Otherwise, I will get very pissed if you go to another blogger’s blog to talk about my suspected click frauds, which may give people impression that I am really the guilty party. This is not the first time I see Adverlets deal with its publishers in this third party medium. Personally, I think it is not very pleasant to the publishers to be told about click frauds, whether they are guilty or not because it is embarassing, nevertheless.
And Lilian – Iâ€™m quite sure youâ€™re aware that click fraud is a very real problem.
I do not care about click fraud. Hate me or detest me, I don’t use local CPC ads. In fact, I didn’t even use Nuffnang on every blogs of mine because frankly, payments for CPC for local ads sucks. I tried for a month and I took off every single one of them. So, no, I do not know about click fraud problems and I do not care. But I do know that those goons who did it, deserve to get ban because such unethical action will kill every single blogger in the long run. If you see any ads on any of my blogs, these are CPM ads. I get paid a lump sum in the range of RM70-RM200+ per week, per square of ad depending on the volume of my Malaysian traffic.
And although youâ€™re very much a Nuffnang supporter, itâ€™ll be nice if we cleared up some of the past issues on a personal level, as I donâ€™t feel I was represented quite fairly in one of your blog posts.
The above comment makes me decide to dedicate a post for you. Yes, I am seen as a Nuffnang supporter. But the reason has NOTHING to do with Advertlets. Nuffnang doesn’t need my support. I am not some 18-22 years old hawt SYT who qualifies to be either Tim or Ming’s future girlfriend. Neither am I loaded enough to be their sugar-mommy. So…. If I jump into any posts that is seen as ‘anti-Nuffnang’ it is because of my own selfish interest. Yes, I am supporting myself. I like to put facts right because that’s my cash cow. I have revealed in my interview with Malay Mail that I am currently getting RM2K-RM3K per month from Nuffnang. I may know a lot about Nuffnang but that’s because I have blogs with band 2 right up to band 36.
And I think it is rather petty of you to talk about past posts. I have so many blogs and so many thousands posts so I cannot remember whom I had dissed or when or why. But if any of the posts still remain high on the SERPs, I cannot help it because I am that good with SEO.
Iâ€™m quite sure you misunderstood my intentions and the genuineness of what I was offering, which you did hint at somewhat later but unfortunately, in another obscure post.
I know you didn’t mean to bring any personal, emotional matters into the discussion.
Still, business is business. Where this blog is concerned, I highlight to my blog readers everything. Smorty Sucks, Advertlets Sucks or any companies that sucks. It is just a factual statement, with no malice intended. But I doubt I have ever uttered any Adverlets Sucks in any post. In fact, I have never take on Adverlets in any confrontational manner because I do not believe in bull-dozing companies trying to survive.
Therefore, if there is any negative perception from Advertlets publishers and the public towards you and the company Adverlets, leave me out of it.
Remember to separate my blogs. This is a Make Money Blog, Truth, No Scam. I only write about how to make money online without being scammed. This is not my personal blog.
Jayce(May 10, 2008 - 2:35 pm)
Nice… A long one. I have mine over here too. Still hot and spicy. :P And did you notice? Josh did not reply my comment.
joshuatly(May 10, 2008 - 3:00 pm)
See, josh lim do the same trick again, but he…
CALL ME instead.
but at last i get my cash out with RM 50++ less!
read mine here:
i think posting at blog about advertlets is quite useful…
i think need to gather bloggers and do this…
see the project coming soon!
josh lim oh josh lim, quickly pay out ppl’s money la.
DONT remove these post if your are request to do so!
yongkailoon(May 10, 2008 - 3:41 pm)
Seriously I used to be an Advertlets user long time ago until at one time it is just so frustrating to use it. Moreover, many are complaining then their payments are being held up for a long time and when asked why they said they were accused to be involved in a click fraud activity. Some might be telling the truth and some not but the fact is many are said to be involved which I do not believe. Some even have like about RM500 pending and accused to be in those fraud activity thus the payment is gone. High traffic blogs should think twice because it doesn’t benefit both parties, it only benefits Advertlets.
xvertlets(May 10, 2008 - 3:44 pm)
if you dont like advertlets?
or advertlets hutang you, please comment and add yourself at my blog:
Lets gather our power together against advertlets!
Kenneth(May 10, 2008 - 6:51 pm)
I have waited for months and I haven’t gotten my payout too, sigh.
Freethinker(May 11, 2008 - 9:43 am)
I’m just tired seeing this is still on going. Click Fraud exist, sure it does, but the investigation of click fraud I doubt take months, it’s a matter of analysing a couple of datasheets to conclude, if it takes such a long time, unless there’s a long list of people on the queue being investigated, if not, maybe Josh could share how long on average he needs to take resolve a click fraud case.
Otherwise, the perception of Advertlets not paying will just start reinforcing itself.
I guess the internet blog advertising companies should have a reminder of the different group of their subscriber services, there are those who are pure loyalist, the hawkish types and the ones who don’t bother anything. Purely counting on the pure loyalist who don’t understand the big picture, doesn’t exactly add value and not for the long run for the sustainability of the business
Mr. Rajawang(May 11, 2008 - 7:04 pm)
Google Adsense got MUCH MUCH more ads publishers on the whole wide world but they can pay faster and surely won’t take months to analyze click fraud.
Pls advertlets, buck up with a better system or just close your shop!
Internet millionaire(May 11, 2008 - 10:26 pm)
Josh-Forget about explaining. We do not want to hear your problems. We do not wanna share your problems. We put up ads for you, you pay up. Its just as simple as that.
I think you have financial management problems. Just stop using the company’s money for your flamboyant ‘show off’ lifestyle.
The Unforgiven(May 11, 2008 - 11:25 pm)
Chong(May 12, 2008 - 12:46 am)
Well said, Freethinker!
It turns out that Advertlets will take forever to process our cheques if we did not complain publicly. Perhaps this is what Josh like to see personally? Perhaps Advertlets believe “no publicity is bad publicity”? Support system? I told myself not to use their support system since my first and also the last terrible experience with it last year.
I actually wanted to write a long and detailed comment of my “love hate relationship” with Advertlets but I think this is the last thing that I want to do.
Josh, please, pay us faster. We’re very tired waiting the cheques which take forever to come. We’re frustrated and disappointed. Please, let us end our relationship with Advertlets nicely.
vkeong(May 12, 2008 - 10:29 am)
I ditched advertlets long time ago after receiving my 3rd payment
They are very inconsistent with the CPM rates.. one day you can earn a few ringgit, the next day 1 cent (really!)
I am wondering if they manipulate the rates for their own advantages.. one day they’re feeling rich they adjust the rates high high.. then when they’re feeling poor they give you 1 cent
I just love Nuffnang
vkeong(May 12, 2008 - 10:33 am)
BTW, I just noticed your page’s title in my Firefox and the “other” title in this post.. lol.. your SEO is really good :wink: surely many people will search for “advertlets sucks” in google lmao
lilian(May 12, 2008 - 3:47 pm)
vkeong – shhhh…LOL
To the rest – Thanks for the feedbacks and I hope they help others. I shall not comment on them or else I get blame for starting it. LOL
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xBrain(May 13, 2008 - 1:49 am)
thanx for the stand up..
I agree with ur points, and my personal opinion for Josh, better to shut down the business and don’t wait until someone file a claim.
It’s ridiculous to suspect everybody have the fraud click involved even thought he told me he got a friend who cheated Google Adsense for the past 6 years. He is a total liar !!!
Read my advertlets category, I have a full writing for Advertlets ….Pissed off of that joker
lilian(May 13, 2008 - 2:11 am)
xBrain – Wow…I didn’t expect it will lead to so many unhappy publishers. If one or two probably it is really sabotaged but there are so many, so I wonder if the system need fixing. All these click fraud news are not good for us publishers because advertisers will doubt our integrity and shift back to mainstream.
Right now, after the 12 GE, blog is the hottest item so I am glad there are established online advertising companies to help us make money.
yongkailoon(May 13, 2008 - 2:23 pm)
Right now I am wondering what will happen to the earnings/cash if one of the users is suspected for click frauds or illegal activities ? This is a big question as there are only two possibilities, one is it would go back to the advertiser while the other is back to Advertlets. Hmm..
xBrain(May 13, 2008 - 9:22 pm)
I told that joker to show me the prove that he returned the money back to media agency or show me that he did not invoiced the client for the fraud click, but until now he did not do it.
because why, because he ran out of paid client.
most of the ads are free ads
and dont you notice the affiliate program running as one of the ads?
it’s a perspof for international member, it shows that he is totally scumbag !! :
Bryan(May 15, 2008 - 11:24 pm)
Why no fans of Adverlets defending them wan?
Vincent Chow(May 19, 2008 - 2:41 pm)
Glad that I dropped Advertlets just days after testing it out. I have sabotages on my AdSense, but not even once Google hold my payment.
hafreze(May 19, 2008 - 4:02 pm)
yeah, they sucks at paying people! Instead, I just emailed them before I know the entry about this. They got bash by me!! this is what I wrote to them,
Dear advertlets team,
Here, I would like to inform you that I still don’t get the pay cheque that being released on 22 Jan 2008. It’s already took a long time, and I believe that your side didn’t release the cheque yet, instead just updated my control panel with ‘Sent’, which is very untrue.
The amount is only rm100, is it a big matter for you guys? In fact, I already twice receive my google adsense cheque during this period, and they are from USA! Another fact, I ordered books from amazon, and they already arrived
within 2 weeks time, so is it impossible for you to process those cheque faster than them? you are staying in Malaysia!
So, I, on the behalf of other publisher too, would like to claim our money, since quite number of bloggers do complain the same thing as mine.
then, they replied:
Is this your address?
–I cannot show my address, so imagine it..haha–
From our records the cheque has already been sent. However, we will resend it since you haven’t received it yet. We would require your assistance
please send us back the old cheque if you receive it though.
so now, they are putting the faulty at me??!..saying that this is not a right address..oh, they are really sucks.
Jys(June 24, 2008 - 9:22 am)
wow that’s bad… they also just updated my cash out status to ‘Sent’ after a day I wrote a post on my blog,
I got a comment from advertlets that said my cheque has been sent. and guess what, i’m still waiting…
Insider(October 1, 2008 - 3:54 am)
hahah…I like this post very much! Hahaha…
Josh Lim(November 26, 2008 - 3:51 pm)
I sucks, I am just a dick head who trying to earn some money..yes I am useless..but you all still too stupid enough to fall into my trap..what to do..consumer is stupid.
Shawn(January 23, 2009 - 5:48 pm)
I nearly forget my RM300 in adverlets (2007)
and i also forget how many time i email to support
endup copy n paste reply…
Dont Be the next victims
alexallied(June 11, 2009 - 5:22 pm)
I got paid, but not all are that lucky. So I would call this a scam.
Place your post in there, I’ll highlight it for the attention of Advertlets.